After about 15 years of drumming with my old sabian b8 pro cymbals I was ready for a change...Paiste seemed like a great brand to try out. I am very impressed with the overall quality and sound of these cymbals. They are bright and warm, which fits my sound preference perfectly. These cymbals are not just for beginners, any seasoned drummer or gigging musician will find great value in these great sounding cymbals. Very impressive. These are some of the heaviest cymbals I've played. By themselves, these cymbals sound decent. They have a very dark, washy sound and have a very long decay. Five stars for Paiste...I'm hooked!